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‘Ocean’s 12’ With Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Amanda Dobbins

March 5, 2020 · Crime · Thriller · 1:20:38

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Most Rewatchable Scene

Amanda Dobbins▶ 27:24Highlighted the Matsui meeting as a good distillation of what the movies are about, and the Pitt and Clooney watching Happy Days scene as beautiful male intimacy and friendship
Chris Ryan▶ 20:34Nominated multiple scenes including the 12 reunion, breakdown of Vanderwood heist, Matsui meeting, train station banter, Vincent Cassel intro montage, Rusty and Danny watching Happy Days, Bruce Willis hotel scene, and Tess comes to Rome sequence
Sean Fennessey▶ 25:26Added the reintroduction to the 11 at beginning, Rusty visiting Topher Grace, Eddie Jameson's stand-up in matador suit, Night Fox explaining Lamarck story, and Cherry Jones moment in truck with Matt Damon

What's Aged the Best

Amanda Dobbins▶ 42:56The group of people being together and the concept of movies as an excuse for rich people to have vacations
Chris Ryan▶ 37:48The look, sound, and feel of the movie; David Holmes' musical contribution; Lake Como and Vincent Cassell's lifestyle; Brad Pitt's performance; Matt Damon's thirst; and the chemistry of the ensemble
Sean Fennessey▶ 43:37The look and feel and style of the movie - its European heist movie aesthetic that's different from the first film

Casting What-Ifs

Chris Ryan▶ 50:51Mark Wahlberg — Mark Wahlberg was lined up to replace Matt Damon if Damon had backed out after a demanding Bourne movie shoot, though uncertain if this was real or a publicity bit
Sean Fennessey▶ 51:00Mark Wahlberg — Questions whether the Mark Wahlberg story is real, noting it's not Soderbergh's tempo and mentions Wahlberg and Damon's later showdown in The Departed

Dion Waiters Award

Amanda Dobbins▶ 55:17Andy Garcia — Champions Andy Garcia, particularly for his scenes recruiting the team and speech to Virgil and Turk
Chris Ryan▶ 54:31Bruce Willis — Bruce Willis wins
Sean Fennessey▶ 56:01Eddie Izzard — Suggests Eddie Izzard and Robbie Coltrane as overlooked nominees

Joey Pants Award

Amanda Dobbins▶ 56:40Bruce Willis — Agrees with Bruce Willis but wants more discussion of other options first
Chris Ryan▶ 57:06Bruce Willis — Bruce Willis (after also suggesting Jared Harris as Basher's engineer)
Sean Fennessey▶ 56:32Bruce Willis — Agrees Bruce Willis shouldn't win, suggests Eddie Izzard and Albert Finney belong in other categories instead

Apex Mountain

Amanda Dobbins▶ 59:54Discusses Lake Como and supports the idea of certain locations/fashion elements being at apex mountain
Chris Ryan▶ 57:43Brad Pitt — Brad Pitt - argues this is his apex mountain due to career power despite personal misery
Sean Fennessey▶ 58:01Discusses various nominees but doesn't commit to a specific pick, seems skeptical of some suggestions

Overacting Award

Chris Ryan▶ 1:07:09Albert Finney — Doesn't think anyone is overdoing it in this movie, suggests maybe Albert Finney with the red pants but ultimately dismisses it
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:07:27Jerry Weintraub — Jerry Weintraub - can see that he's overdoing it even though we don't hear him speak

Half-Assed Internet Research

Amanda Dobbins▶ 1:08:51No recast needed - issue isn't Catherine Zeta-Jones but the character's role; likes Angelina Jolie suggestion for meta-text reasons
Chris Ryan▶ 1:07:31Presents trivia about Ocean's 12 script origins, Peter Fonda's cut scene, and movie references; suggests Angelina Jolie for recasting Isabella
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:09:12Rachel Weisz for recasting Isabella Heery

Picking Nits

Amanda Dobbins▶ 1:10:11How do you identify someone from a random boot print found on the street? Also Catherine Zeta-Jones's inconsistent knowledge - she knows everything and nothing at all times about thieves. Plus Vincent Cassel gets hit by like 45 lasers in the capoeira scene.
Chris Ryan▶ 1:09:37If Tess looks like Julia Roberts, are the other guys doppelgangers for their Hollywood lookalikes?

Best Quote

Amanda Dobbins▶ 1:14:49Highlighted 'I wasn't in four weddings and a funeral' and 'just protect your fake baby'
Chris Ryan▶ 1:16:03Four weddings and funeral quote (Julia Roberts pretending she wasn't in the movie)
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:13:37Focused on Rusty's dialogue about asking questions rhetorically, but noted it's more about energy and sequences than single sentences

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Amanda Dobbins▶ 1:17:04The underworld helped him out because they keep talking about how you broke rule number one
Chris Ryan▶ 1:16:49How did Danny get all the biographical details about the most mythical reclusive thief in the world, the Night Fox, when he was just like, his name is Talur. He's done all these jobs. Here's where he lives. Do you think he just had a Wikipedia page?

Movies Referenced (27)

Doubt (2008)

3 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan▶ 1:04:45IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994)

3 mentions · ▶ 1:14:52IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Heat (1995)

3 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 1:05:57IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Inception (2010)

3 mentions · Sean Fennessey▶ 12:55IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Ocean's Eleven (2001)

3 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey▶ 15:25IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Die Hard (1988)

2 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 1:07:45IMDb ↗Lb ↗

The Sixth Sense (1999)

2 mentions · Amanda Dobbins▶ 32:37IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Troy (2004)

2 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 17:10IMDb ↗Lb ↗

A Bridge Too Far (1977)

1 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 48:35IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Chicago (2002)

1 mentions · Sean Fennessey▶ 49:39IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Confessions of a Dangerous Mind (2002)

1 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 42:17IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Contagion (2011)

1 mentions · Sean Fennessey▶ 18:03IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Directors Referenced (10)

Steven Soderbergh

27 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for Traffic▶ 2:12IMDb ↗Lb ↗

George Clooney

16 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for The Ides of March, Michael Clayton▶ 7:17IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Terry Benedict

6 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins · Known for Hacksaw Ridge, The Terminator▶ 5:49IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Anson Jew

1 mentions · Amanda Dobbins · Known for Wonder Woman▶ 16:28IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Ben Affleck

1 mentions · Sean Fennessey · Known for Argo, Gone Girl, The Town▶ 42:40IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jean-Pierre Melville

1 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 8:01IMDb ↗Lb ↗

John Frankenheimer

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Seven Days in May▶ 45:53IMDb ↗Lb ↗

John Woo

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Hard Boiled▶ 1:07:37IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Robert Altman

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Gosford Park▶ 21:53IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Scott Conn

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Predators, Machete▶ 55:52IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Actors Referenced (41)

Matt Damon

29 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins · Known for Good Will Hunting, The Martian, The Departed▶ 15:45IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Brad Pitt

27 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Mr. & Mrs. Smith▶ 15:54IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Julia Roberts

18 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins · Known for Pretty Woman, My Best Friend's Wedding▶ 11:24IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Bruce Willis

14 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for Die Hard, Pulp Fiction▶ 24:21IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Catherine Zeta-Jones

9 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for Chicago, Traffic▶ 13:33IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Perry Como

9 mentions · Amanda Dobbins, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for Blast from the Past▶ 14:54IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Cherry Jones

5 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Signs, The Village, The Perfect Storm▶ 26:54IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jerry Weintraub

5 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for The Firm▶ 26:44IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Albert Finney

4 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Erin Brockovich, Big Fish▶ 13:33IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Andy Garcia

4 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins · Known for Ocean's Eleven▶ 46:26IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jared Harris

4 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 56:53IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Robbie Coltrane

4 mentions · Chris Ryan, Amanda Dobbins, Sean Fennessey · Known for GoldenEye▶ 22:11IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Writers Referenced (2)

George Nolfi

4 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for The Adjustment Bureau▶ 2:12IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Marius Constant

2 mentions · Sean Fennessey · Known for The Manchurian Candidate, Last Action Hero▶ 1:09:17IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Cinematographers Referenced (1)

Robert Barcelona

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Elysium, Venom, Jurassic World▶ 58:14IMDb ↗Lb ↗