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‘Crimson Tide’ With Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Chris Ryan

May 12, 2020 · Crimson Tide (1995) · Action · Drama · Thriller · 1:25:36

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Casting What-Ifs

Bill Simmons▶ 12:23Tom Cruise — Tom Cruise could have played Denzel's part - would have been more brash and sarcastic, like A Few Good Men

Most Rewatchable Scene

Bill Simmons▶ 31:50Multiple scenes: First Hackman-Denzel meeting with the horses/high school girls comparison, the post-fire missile drill confrontation, Denzel's Silver Surfer scene, and the mutiny scene where Denzel relieves Hackman

What's Aged the Worst

Bill Simmons▶ 53:42Multiple picks: the movie being a great big screen experience that's hard to replicate at home, Lillo Brancato (the actor from Bronx Tale) due to his real-life issues, Hackman threatening to kill people, and Hackman's overt racism at the end

Joey Pants Award

Bill Simmons▶ 1:00:43Danny Nucci — Danny Nucci as Danny, the silver surfer guy
Chris Ryan▶ 1:01:09Danny Nucci

Half-Assed Internet Research

Bill Simmons▶ 1:08:16Shared multiple trivia facts: Tarantino's three scenes, Denzel confronting Tarantino about N-word usage on set, Robert Town dictating rewrites over phone to Simpson/Bruckheimer, Robert Mueller quoting Hackman's line, and U.S. Navy withdrawing support after learning about mutiny plot
Chris Ryan▶ 1:09:58Referenced David Milch's story about Don Simpson phone calls on Dinner for Five show, comparing it to the Robert Town rewrite situation
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:10:51Recommended the book 'High Concept' about Simpson and Bruckheimer, and shared Tony Scott's response to Navy controversy about mutiny training for officers

Apex Mountain

Bill Simmons▶ 1:13:40Tony Scott — Tony Scott - argues for Crimson Tide as his apex because The Fan was greenlit after it despite being terrible, showing his peak influence
Chris Ryan▶ 1:13:34Tony Scott — Tony Scott - True Romance is his apex
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:13:22Tony Scott — Tony Scott - mentions his three favorites are Last Boy Scout, True Romance and Crimson Tide but doesn't definitively pick one as apex

Picking Nits

Bill Simmons▶ 1:17:10Bringing the dog on the sub and the bathroom logistics - should have had someone walk it or created an AstroTurf area instead of having piss and shit everywhere
Bill Simmons▶ 1:17:58Hackman's character going full racist, which he never fully understood
Chris Ryan▶ 1:18:06What Steve Zahn's actual job is - he just spends time smoking, listening to radio, and can't perform basic tasks like closing hatches
Chris Ryan▶ 1:18:21The crew learns too much information from cable news, even for 1995 - they find out about major events from TV rather than military briefings
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:18:52Why the only cassette they listen to is Martha and the Vandellas 'Nowhere to Run' over and over - weird choice for naval officers in 1995

Best Quote

Bill Simmons▶ 1:19:15Indicates they covered all the best quotes earlier in discussion
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:19:18Denzel's pronunciation of 'Holocaust' in 'Nuclear Holocaust'

Probably Unanswerable Questions

Bill Simmons▶ 1:20:06What happened next to Lomachenko/Vlad character after the movie
Chris Ryan▶ 1:20:37The final reconciliation scene doesn't work - characters forgive too easily after the racist analogy and nuclear incident
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:20:53Agrees the final scene is problematic, noting the character circles back aggressively on his racist analogy and nearly caused nuclear destruction

Who Won the Movie

Bill Simmons▶ 1:22:57Denzel Washington — Denzel Washington (tied with Don Simpson) - thought Denzel's part was harder and ultimately chose him over Hackman
Chris Ryan▶ 1:22:31Denzel Washington — Washington - establishes himself as a movie star at another level
Sean Fennessey▶ 1:22:48Denzel Washington — Denzel Washington - agrees with Chris that Denzel supercharged into mainstream movie stardom

Movies Referenced (51)

Braveheart (1995)

4 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey▶ 19:30IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Enemy of the State (1998)

4 mentions · Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons▶ 9:35IMDb ↗Lb ↗

True Romance (1993)

4 mentions · Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey▶ 1:02:36IMDb ↗Lb ↗

A Few Good Men (1992)

3 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey▶ 1:23:10IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Run Silent Run Deep (1958)

3 mentions · Sean Fennessey▶ 15:48IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Top Gun (1986)

3 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan▶ 36:58IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Apollo 13 (1995)

2 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey▶ 20:46IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Basic Instinct (1992)

2 mentions · Chris Ryan, Bill Simmons▶ 27:04IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Boogie Nights (1997)

2 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons▶ 58:40IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Deja Vu (2006)

2 mentions · Bill Simmons▶ 7:24IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Draft Day (2014)

2 mentions · Bill Simmons▶ 1:24:56IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Groundhog Day (1993)

2 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey▶ 1:00:01IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Directors Referenced (10)

Tony Scott

27 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Unstoppable, True Romance▶ 1:51IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Sean Penn

15 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan · Known for Mystic River, 21 Grams, Dead Man Walking▶ 1:46IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Quentin Tarantino

12 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, From Dusk Till Dawn▶ 6:40IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Warren Beatty

3 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey · Known for Heaven Can Wait▶ 58:15IMDb ↗Lb ↗

John McTiernan

2 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan · Known for Die Hard, Last Action Hero▶ 47:53IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Spike Lee

2 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Do the Right Thing, Malcolm X, She's Gotta Have It▶ 9:25IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Walt Frasier

2 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan▶ 1:14:17IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jannecke Nilsen

1 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 27:04IMDb ↗Lb ↗

John P. Fertitta

1 mentions · Bill Simmons · Known for Mississippi Burning▶ 47:09IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Michael Mann

1 mentions · Sean Fennessey · Known for The Insider, Collateral, The Last of the Mohicans▶ 4:52IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Actors Referenced (66)

Denzel Washington

63 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey▶ 1:29IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Gene Hackman

60 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for The French Connection, The Royal Tenenbaums, Unforgiven▶ 1:32IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Don Simpson

19 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for Days of Thunder, Beverly Hills Cop, The Rock▶ 1:57IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Al Pacino

11 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for Dog Day Afternoon, The Godfather▶ 10:30IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Hans Zimmer

10 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey · Known for Gladiator, Interstellar▶ 27:27IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Brad Pitt

8 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey · Known for Fight Club, 12 Monkeys, Mr. & Mrs. Smith▶ 20:47IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jason Robards

6 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for All the President's Men, Magnolia, Once Upon a Time in the West▶ 16:40IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Matt Craven

5 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan · Known for Crimson Tide, A Few Good Men▶ 44:06IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Tom Cruise

5 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey · Known for Top Gun, Minority Report▶ 24:40IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Tom Hanks

5 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey · Known for Cast Away, Big, Forrest Gump▶ 8:20IMDb ↗Lb ↗

DJ Premier

4 mentions · Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan · Known for Inside Man▶ 1:08:35IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Danny Nucci

4 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Titanic, Crimson Tide, Alive▶ 34:17IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Writers Referenced (12)

Jerry Bruckheimer

12 mentions · Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan · Known for Top Gun: Maverick, Armageddon▶ 1:57IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Ted Jessup

6 mentions · Bill Simmons · Known for Ted 2, The Girlfriend Experience▶ 1:23:21IMDb ↗Lb ↗

David Milch

3 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 1:10:04IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Malcolm X

3 mentions · Sean Fennessey, Bill Simmons · Known for Malcolm X▶ 8:03IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Michael Schiffer

2 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Crimson Tide▶ 7:41IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Robert Towne

2 mentions · Bill Simmons · Known for Chinatown, Mission: Impossible, The Last Detail▶ 3:50IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Brian Koppelman

1 mentions · Bill Simmons · Known for Runaway Jury, Runner Runner, Michael Clayton▶ 30:41IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Jon Favreau

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for Chef, Iron Man, Swingers▶ 1:10:16IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Julie Siege

1 mentions · Bill Simmons▶ 59:16IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Michael Dinner

1 mentions · Chris Ryan▶ 1:10:04IMDb ↗Lb ↗

Tom Clancy

1 mentions · Chris Ryan · Known for The Hunt for Red October, The Sum of All Fears, Clear and Present Danger▶ 1:16:14IMDb ↗Lb ↗

William Goldman

1 mentions · Bill Simmons · Known for Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, All the President's Men, The Princess Bride▶ 4:00IMDb ↗Lb ↗